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PostSubject: Purebred   Fri 07 Nov 2008, 11:38 am

Just thought I would post this for reference..

Purebred dogs are by definition registered members of modern breeds. Breeds of dogs may be registered either in an open stud book or a closed stud book. The term purebred dog is typically used to mean dogs registered with a closed stud book registry, but the connotation of desirability of this type of registration is disputed by owners of purebred dogs from open stud book registries.

  • The closed stud book requires that all dogs descend from a known and registered set of ancestors; this results in a loss of genetic variation over time, as well as a highly identifiable breed type, which is the basis of the sport of conformation showing. In order to enhance specific characteristics, most modern purebred dogs registered with closed stud books are highly inbred, increasing the possibility of genetic-based disease.[5]
  • The open stud book, meaning some outcrossing is acceptable, is often used in herding dog, hunting dog, and working dog (working dog meaning police dogs, assistance dogs, and other dogs that work directly with humans, not on game or livestock) registries for dogs not also engaged in the sport of conformation showing. Outcrosses with other breeds and breeding for working characteristics (rather than breeding for appearance) are assumed to result in a healthier dog. Overuse of one particular stud dog due to the desirability of the dog's working style or appearance leads to a narrowing of genetic diversity, whether the breed uses an open stud book or a closed stud book.[6] The Jack Russell Terrier Club of America states, "Inbreeding favors genes of excellence as well as deleterious genes."[7] Some open stud book breeds, such as the Jack Russell Terrier, have strict limitations on inbreeding.[8]

Crossbred dogs (first generation crosses from two purebred dogs, bred for heterosis, or hybrid vigor, also called dog hybrids) are not breeds and are not considered purebred, although crossbreds from the same two breeds of purebreds can have "identical qualities",[9] similar to what would be expected from breeding two purebreds, but with more genetic variation. However, crossbreds do not breed true (meaning that progeny will show consistent, replicable and predictable characteristics), and can only be reproduced by returning to the original two purebred breeds.

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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Fri 07 Nov 2008, 3:06 pm

Gotta love Wiki. I dunno, I like this definition because of that lame ass "pitbulls aren't purebred" argument, but at the same time this definition says that any registered bully is purebred. It was going the right direction with the hybrid sectrion though. Thanks for sharing bro, if I could give you rep points........

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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Fri 07 Nov 2008, 7:26 pm

Yeah I gave rep points E for this on GP great post ! Sorry No Rep Points here hehehe so can't give em out to ya good info!
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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Tue 11 Nov 2008, 1:54 am

Pits Are not "Pure Bred" it is a cross of 2 breeds to make one
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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Tue 11 Nov 2008, 2:08 am

I honestly think that Dian Jessup would bitch slap you for that comment! This argument is retarded. Basically you are saying that there is no such thing as a purebred??? I mean, what do you consider to be pure? Most breeds in existance were hybrid at one point and after breeding for form for so long these BREEDS became recognized by kennel clubs across the world. So if what you say is correct, and I bring in a statement you made in the pit, you are willing to pay an arm and a leg for a Colby mutt?!?!?! I thought you were all about keeping the breed pure, that contradicts this argument. Hmmmm......

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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Tue 11 Nov 2008, 4:07 am

RedDoggy wrote:
I honestly think that Dian Jessup would bitch slap you for that comment! This argument is retarded. Basically you are saying that there is no such thing as a purebred??? I mean, what do you consider to be pure? Most breeds in existance were hybrid at one point and after breeding for form for so long these BREEDS became recognized by kennel clubs across the world. So if what you say is correct, and I bring in a statement you made in the pit, you are willing to pay an arm and a leg for a Colby mutt?!?!?! I thought you were all about keeping the breed pure, that contradicts this argument. Hmmmm......

Okay, all I have to say on the matter.

He couldn't get a pure bred colby anyway colby does not breed to the general public and breeds like hardly ever he has been able to keep his dogs in the family for the most part. Good points Red I don't know about you but this is making my head hurt :insane:BTW many of the modern day colby dogs are pretty amstaff if you ask me
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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Tue 11 Nov 2008, 5:32 am

The American Pit Bull Terrier is a purebred. Any crossing done to make the breed was when? The 1800s? Even earlier? The Doberman Pinscher was created from a number of different breeds in the late 1800s, but you don't hear people calling them mongrels now. If we're going to count crosses from the 1800s and prior -- back when there weren't a slug of breeds to speak of anyway -- then purebreds don't even really exist. IMO, all breeds were mutts at their inception. A bull-and-terrier cross from the 1800s is a far cry from adding in mastiff or catahoula in the 1980s. The APBT is his own breed, and has been for a long time.

As far as the term open studbook, I think it has different meanings. The AKC opened their AmStaff studbooks to some UKC APBTs in the 1970s. They didn't open it to allow adding other breeds to the AmStaff, but merely to allow some new blood in. Kinda like when the Basenji people went to Africa a little bit ago and got some new dogs for their gene pool (and brought back the brindle coloration at the same time).
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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Tue 11 Nov 2008, 6:56 pm

Well said Lindsay but as far as AKC openeing their AmStaff studbooks to some UKC APBTs in the 1970s, I didn't know that.. goodpost

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PostSubject: Re: Purebred   Wed 12 Nov 2008, 1:27 am

Yeppers. Someone said it was only to UKC dogs who had AKC blood behind them (which wouldn't make much sense), but hey.
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