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PostSubject: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 11:18 am

If you knew your dog was becoming human aggressive and deemed dangerous would you make every effort to "Break the habit" or correct the behavior or would you humanely euthanize?

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 11:38 am

i would say cull
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 11:51 am

It seems some will make every effort to correct this behaviour but even if you do are they truly deemed safe?

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 1:43 pm

in my eyes there is no room in this world for HA.If i had a HA bulldog is would be culled in a heartbeat.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 1:55 pm

I think this depends on:

1. The dog's breeding.
2. The situation at hand.
3. Is he aggressive to all people, only men, only women, only children, only strangers, family members, etc..
4. Where you live. Will the dog ever have to be in public?
5. Is there any extenuating circumstances that may explain the dog's behavior?
6. Is there children in the home?
7. Is this a socialization issue or a breeding issue?

For instance, if I lived in the country, never had to take the dog into public, he was only aggressive to strangers (due to lack of socialization), but loved my family and I knew that I could control the dog at all times, I may (or may not even bother to) try and correct the behavior and keep the dog.

On the other hand, I live in the middle of town. I have to take the dog out to the vet and in public for walks. I have children, and the dog is unpredictably aggressive to anyone whenever he feels like it. I'm going to have the dog PTS.

I think this is a little too broad to simply answer yes or no. Under almost all circumstances, my answer would be yes, I would euthanize. But, there are exceptions to every rule.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 2:43 pm

Personal experience.... Just cull

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 2:53 pm

Are we talking just bulldogs or other breeds as well? Some breeds are just plain HA and you should know that before you take on the responsibility. Can't blame a dog for a genetic predisposition.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 4:44 pm

Speaking mainly bulldogs..

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 4:50 pm

Ok I am going to say the responsible thing to do is cull. But depnding in the circumstances if you are a one person owner no kids or other animals and you have some tight security in your home and yard .. I would at least give the effort to try and correct this behavior this is given the fact their are no kids around
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 5:14 pm

Well, the non HA aspect of pit bulls and pit bull types is a widely debated topic. While some say that it should always be culled and never tolerated, others will argue that is has never been a decent reason to cull an otherwise effective bulldog. I myself like an aggressive dog so I'm gonna say that it's up to each individual. If something bad were to happen, well, you will be the one to catch heat not only from legal problems but also the general pit bull community who will undoubtedly be furious when yet another bad situation is on the 5 o'clock news. Gotta look at it from different points of view. My dog is just plain aggressive with pretty much anybody she does not know. We have a very strict system when transpotring her or letting her outside of the house, so we do all we can to avoid an accident. Can't say for sure that she would actually attack someone without just cause, but you never know so we err on the side of caution. She's a perfect dog with the family and welcome guests but you'd damn sure not want to put her to the test as a stranger. As far as keeping my home and family safe when I'm gone, well she's worth her weight in gold and I'd never put her down for being a little bold and confident.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 5:28 pm

But we are talking about true human aggression here right? Because In my mind true HA would be a dog that would be uncontrolable with anyone anywhere. Not just a family protective dog who will protect his home and family IMO a dog protecting his territory and famly is not HA . I think it would depend on the dog and his display of behavior.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 5:32 pm

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But we are talking about true human aggression here right? Because In my mind true HA would be a dog that would be uncontrolable with anyone anywhere. Not just a family protective dog who will protect his home and family IMO a dog protecting his territory and famly is not HA . I think it would depend on the dog and his display of behavior.

I agree, true HA is an uncontrollable dog, vicious towards everyone..

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Mon 01 Sep 2008, 7:13 pm

If any pit bull acted the way many chihuahuas and other small designer breeds act towards humans it would be a disgrace to the pit bull name and a huge liability. I say cull.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Tue 02 Sep 2008, 5:16 am

Yeah, definitely in that case. There are plenty of dogs out there that are just plain unstable and off their rocker but a lot of people even consider an excitement nip an act of aggression, or a growl, ect, ect. HA seems to be an umbrella term and taken too seriously some times. I'm going to say that as long as I can trust a dog, there's no reason to put down. That doesn't mean I wouldn't remove him from a breeding program if he was a little too much.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Tue 02 Sep 2008, 6:21 am

buzhunter wrote:
Yeah, definitely in that case. There are plenty of dogs out there that are just plain unstable and off their rocker but a lot of people even consider an excitement nip an act of aggression, or a growl, ect, ect. HA seems to be an umbrella term and taken too seriously some times. I'm going to say that as long as I can trust a dog, there's no reason to put down. That doesn't mean I wouldn't remove him from a breeding program if he was a little too much.

Well said, I we had a rep system you would get points..lol

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Tue 02 Sep 2008, 12:39 pm

I would cull in a heartbeat. I do live out in the country and the dogs don't (usually) go to town or be around other people. But in 99.9% of the cases it would be too much of a liability. It doesn't matter how the dog is kept or secured, if it wants to find a way out it will. I had one a few years ago break a window to get out of the house...there was a fox killing one of the other dogs. Not HA but he wanted out and got out. I just don't know that someone can keep a dog away from anyone and everyone 100% of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Tue 02 Sep 2008, 2:25 pm

Human aggressive towards everyone... it's night night time. But if human aggressive like Buz explained it, nope, I'd just post many signs in many different languages "Enter at your own risk", hahahahaha.

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Tue 02 Sep 2008, 11:04 pm

^^ LOL ^^
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Tue 02 Sep 2008, 11:20 pm

HA or not, I post the Beware of Dog signs anyway.

1) Keeps crack heads out
2) covers my ass - if my dogs were to bite someone on my property, they can't say they weren't warned.
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Wed 03 Sep 2008, 6:19 am

Agreed, I have those signs as well. Although I'm not to sure how well they hold any water..

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Wed 03 Sep 2008, 6:27 am

There's always some sue-happy tresspasser ready to capitalize on shit like that. It's a sad day we live in. Everyne who knows me knows that I don't like or appreciate people at my house and would testify that anyone getting bit was an unwelcome trespasser. Being an asshole does have advantages, I guess. lol
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Wed 03 Sep 2008, 11:53 am

Carriana wrote:
they can't say they weren't warned.

What if that person doesn't know how to read?

I'm going to have to find a sign that is like a comic strip, where the first scene is a dog growling, the next scene is a person hopping over my fence, the 3rd scene the dog biting the person, the 4th scene a fat happy dog laying on his back with blood stains all over him, LMFAO.

Everyone can understand pictures, right?

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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Wed 03 Sep 2008, 3:45 pm

Nes your crazy LOL
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PostSubject: sign   Wed 03 Sep 2008, 5:18 pm

i had a cop tell me once that if i posted a beware of dog sign then that was admitting that my dogs were ha and so on an so forth! my dogs are not ha so i didnt post to avoid the trap the cop was trying to set - he had me in a loose loose situation so i just moved... - tho maybe that was their goal?
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PostSubject: Re: To Cull or Not To   Wed 03 Sep 2008, 5:22 pm

I like to see the game in a dog and i have signs in diffrent lang. so they cant say no abla but if the dog is game and i cant keep it opn my yard i find it a diffrent home and if that dont work then put it 6 feet under
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